Comments on: Godly Bishops http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/ Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:35:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Wisdom vs. the Dull Axe « Surrounded http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-965 Wisdom vs. the Dull Axe « Surrounded Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:59:40 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-965 [...] a comment following his weblog post “Godly Bishops.” Posted in posted by Fr. Rob Eaton [...] [...] a comment following his weblog post “Godly Bishops.” Posted in posted by Fr. Rob Eaton [...]

]]> By: Craig Higgins http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-963 Craig Higgins Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:10:33 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-963 Congratulations, Leander, on the nomination. You are already in my regular prayers, but I will pray about this with some specificity now! And may the House of Bishops become ever more Benedictine in its approach to these difficult times. Congratulations, Leander, on the nomination. You are already in my regular prayers, but I will pray about this with some specificity now! And may the House of Bishops become ever more Benedictine in its approach to these difficult times.

]]> By: leander http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-962 leander Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:59:31 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-962 That would be fine. That would be fine.

]]> By: Rob Eaton+ http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-961 Rob Eaton+ Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:27:18 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-961 Dr. H, I'd like to quote a part of your first comment to me on Surrounded if that is OK with you. (sorry to leave this here - you could remove the comment) Dr. H,
I’d like to quote a part of your first comment to me on Surrounded if that is OK with you.
(sorry to leave this here – you could remove the comment)

]]> By: leander http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-935 leander Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:26:58 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-935 Rob, your question about Wisdom is one to ponder. Wisdom involves at least a sober appraisal of one's own limits and a conviction that real insight may come from unexpected places. In any event I have come to be very curious about hearing from each and all. There are still times when the leader has to make tough calls. But it works better when the head is in touch with the body instead of out of touch. Rob, your question about Wisdom is one to ponder. Wisdom involves at least a sober appraisal of one’s own limits and a conviction that real insight may come from unexpected places. In any event I have come to be very curious about hearing from each and all. There are still times when the leader has to make tough calls. But it works better when the head is in touch with the body instead of out of touch.

]]> By: Rob Eaton+ http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-932 Rob Eaton+ Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:26:49 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-932 I learned about that communal process when I spent 6 months at the SSJE House in Bracebridge, Ontario (77-78). It was my understanding then, and augmented since, that the reason for all in the community to speak is because Benedict himself (the rumor has it as a tongue-speaker himself, as sign of his heightened awareness of the charismata) did not want the gifts of the Spirit to be missed simply because only "the elders" had anything worth saying. I learned about that communal process when I spent 6 months at the SSJE House in Bracebridge, Ontario (77-78). It was my understanding then, and augmented since, that the reason for all in the community to speak is because Benedict himself (the rumor has it as a tongue-speaker himself, as sign of his heightened awareness of the charismata) did not want the gifts of the Spirit to be missed simply because only “the elders” had anything worth saying.

]]> By: leander http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-925 leander Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:24:14 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-925 What a very good question. The Benedictine's allow everyone in the community to have a say from the most junior to the most senior and then the Abbot decides. I think that the decision making process that has taken hold in our church has often been a non-consultative process which relies on finesse and fait de compli and is lacking in the patience required if the church is to know its own mind. This is a critique that I would apply to both sides of the aisle, so to speak. What a very good question. The Benedictine’s allow everyone in the community to have a say from the most junior to the most senior and then the Abbot decides. I think that the decision making process that has taken hold in our church has often been a non-consultative process which relies on finesse and fait de compli and is lacking in the patience required if the church is to know its own mind. This is a critique that I would apply to both sides of the aisle, so to speak.

]]> By: Rob Eaton+ http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-924 Rob Eaton+ Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:45:11 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-924 Dr. Harding, Very timely. Again. Might I only add the constant need for overseers to be receptors of the charism of Wisdom. And if that is not how the Holy Spirit has gifted them, then to be people who take to heart the counsel of James, and ask God for it, who will. By the evidence of the current House of Bishops (in amalgam), this Church cannot currently rely upon a sense of "collective" wisdom that comes from length and depth of pastoral experience prior to consecration, and the length of episcopates following consecration. This current season of decision making and lack of decision making from the House of Bishops betrays this problem of Wisdom, in along with the other issues that you have identified as essential to the Godly Bishop. How do you see the nature of Wisdom in relation to your article? And I add my prayers to those looking to God's will for the diocese of Dallas. Dr. Harding,
Very timely. Again.
Might I only add the constant need for overseers to be receptors of the charism of Wisdom. And if that is not how the Holy Spirit has gifted them, then to be people who take to heart the counsel of James, and ask God for it, who will. By the evidence of the current House of Bishops (in amalgam), this Church cannot currently rely upon a sense of “collective” wisdom that comes from length and depth of pastoral experience prior to consecration, and the length of episcopates following consecration.

This current season of decision making and lack of decision making from the House of Bishops betrays this problem of Wisdom, in along with the other issues that you have identified as essential to the Godly Bishop.

How do you see the nature of Wisdom in relation to your article?

And I add my prayers to those looking to God’s will for the diocese of Dallas.

]]> By: Wendy Pitha http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-921 Wendy Pitha Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:33:14 +0000 http://www.leanderharding.com/blog/2008/03/13/godly-bishops/#comment-921 Alleluia and Amen. Thank you, Lord, for the anointing and word of the Rev. Dr. Harding. Alleluia and Amen. Thank you, Lord, for the anointing and word of the Rev. Dr. Harding.

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